with Rick's dad, who was never a big presence in his life. His
mother raised him; his dad, Rick says dismissively, was your typical
West Side drunk. But he could talk. And he liked to talk about
"sweat-hogging." A college friend, a good-looking guy, had been into
it. "Let's go out and pick up some pigs tonight," the guy would say.
He homed in on fat girls, demanded oral sex, then kicked them out of
the car when he was done. "He'd literally boot 'em out with his
foot," Rick says, telling the story just as his dad told it to him.
When Rick and
his friends headed out for the night, his dad would inevitably ask,
"You guys going sweat-hogging?"
school, Rick lost his virginity to a large woman. It only escalated
from there. He eventually dropped the "sweat." But hogging -- that
was something he got good at. Good at doing, good at talking about,
just like his dad.
sitting at the Treehouse patio, drinking bottles of Bud with his
roommate Mark and talking about hogging. Rick is tall, broad, 23, a
salesman who looks like a construction worker. Mark is three years
older, shorter, with a shy grin that women love.
At first, both
are hesitant to discuss the subject. Hogging, after all, is
something men talk about with men, not women, and certainly not a
woman taking notes. But they can't help themselves. After just one
beer, they're egging each other on, jockeying for time, trying to
top each story with something bigger and better.
the attraction bluntly: "Everyone knows that if you want to get
belligerent with your friends, hogging is the way to go. It's not
something you aspire to, but no one decent is going to talk to you
when you're at the bar with your friends, doing shots of Jaeger.
Sometimes you just say, 'Fuck it, let's get a pig.'"
It's not that
they prefer fat women, they say. It's just easier.
embarrassed getting shot down by them," Mark says. "You're not
embarrassed when they leave."
nothing but big women for a long time. On a woman of average height,
he'll go up to 160, 170 pounds -- 225 if it's St. Patrick's Day or
New Year's Eve.
"I wake up and
see monsters in his bed," Rick says, feigning horror.
dispute their size. But he resists the "monster" label. "The problem
is, sometimes they're really nice people." He feels sorry for them,
sorry for using them, sorry for being a jerk. If his friends don't
find out, he'll call them. Do it again.
Rick will have
none of it. "I just talk to them like they're complete disgusting
pigs," he says. "You gotta break 'em down with insults. Comment on
their fat -- 'You're a dirty little pig.' They call me a dick, an
asshole, but after a few beers, they're into it."
because he has no conscience," Mark says mournfully.
through his Rolodex of hogging adventures with little prompting.
There was his ex-girlfriend's sister: "She was a little porker, and
I violated her every way." The secretary, with her big white
breasts. "She was a perfect hog." Beautiful face, big soft body.
Then there was
the girl who gave him and a friend oral sex in the front seat of a
Ford Explorer. His friend wanted to take it further, but Rick
dissuaded him: "Most of the time, you're not going to bang 'em," he
explains, disgusted by the thought.
take such obvious delight in degrading women. But all have stories
they're dying to tell, so long as their real names aren't used. "My
mom reads Scene," one guy explains.
met an obese woman at Knucklehead's in
on St. Patrick's Day. He'd been drinking since
8 a.m. They made out at the bar, then he took her home.
The next morning, he made up an excuse to get her to leave; he
actually circled the block in his car until she left. But when he
ran into her two weeks later, they did it again. His friends gave him a hard time: "You went home with a hog."
answer: "I got laid. What's your point?"
35-year-old bartender, had just broken up with his girlfriend when
he met a big girl. Took her home. Got some. "The next day I was,
like, how did this happen? Well, it just happens."
Bryan, 29, met
his hog at karaoke night. One minute she was applauding his
performance, the next they were singing a duet. Soon they were
making music of their own in the parking lot. "I might see her
again, I might not," he says, adding, "If I do, I hope none of my
friends are there."
hogging is a group activity. Chris and his friends use a strategy they call "the scud missile."
Confronted with a group of hot girls and one heavy, they designate
their drunkest comrade as the missile. "We'll say, 'It's
11 o'clock, we're
going to launch him!'" The drunk is deployed to woo the big girl;
the rest of the posse follows five minutes later and moves in on her friends.
drunk closes the deal; sometimes he doesn't. His friends are always
grateful. "Hey, we scored, too," Chris says. "We don't say nothin'."
claim that hogging is a "slump-buster": Sex with a fat woman, they
say, can break a string of bad luck and lift morale. (As the Arizona
Diamondbacks' Mark Grace once explained, even pro athletes have been
known to do it.) It can also be an act of selflessness: A guy "jumps
on the grenade" by taking the fat friend, clearing his pal's way to
the skinny one.
denominator is extreme emotional detachment. Scott tells the story
of a friend who slept with a hog. Scott called the next day to taunt
him. "You didn't cuddle with her in the morning, did you?"
He repeats his
friend's answer with glee: "No, I stepped over her fat ass and
Mark and his
friend Alex go to the Fox & Hound in
Parma, a city Mark considers hog heaven.
Mark manages to find a potential hog while he's buying the first
round. She might as well have "eager" tattooed on her back. She's
poured into a red halter top, faux leather pants that lace up the side, and chunky stacked-heel boots.
and Mark buys her a shot. He returns to the table, excited. "She's
perfect," he says. "A perfect little pig."
"Ask her to
join us," Alex suggests.
"I did," Mark
says. "But she's waiting for her food. How novel."
A few minutes
later she sidles past the table, then slips and wipes out. "Another
shot!" Mark cries.
supposed to catch me," she says, giving a sidelong glance as she
heads toward the bathroom.
"This is going
to be great," Mark hisses. "I might get a blow job out of this.
Right here in the parking lot."
"If you wake
up with that the next morning . . ." Alex warns.
worse," Mark says blithely.
invites the guys to ladies' night at a bar called Quotes. They
follow. The place is packed -- with men.
falls: Leather Pants is with another guy. A big guy. She accepts a
light for her cigarette, but that's about it.
just go out with the mindset that you're going to get a hog," Mark
explains. "You can't."
They end up at
a cop bar called Dina's, drinking Budweisers and talking about
hogging. Mark sheds no tears for the hog who got away. "I think she
might have been strung out on crack anyway," he says. "Did you see
how her hand was shaking?"
wonders about his own track record: "When's the last time you've
seen me with a hot chick?" Mark demands, then answers his own
question: "You probably haven't."
If hogging is
a long-standing tradition, as Rick's father seems to indicate, it's passed down strictly
as oral history. As far as anyone seems to know, it's never been the focus of a
sitcom or a movie. Even in that repository of all
things strange and elusive, the internet, it barely has a presence.
It takes the right kind of dad or college roommate to explain the
Not everyone is
grateful for the lesson. Some men react with horror, others distant
amusement. But for certain men -- typically guys in their 20s and
30s, boozers all -- hogging tales are like their grandfathers'
fishing stories: oft-repeated and always embellished. There's the
one that got away. The one who capsized the boat. The biggest whale
From Parma to
Mentor, the themes are the same. So are the jokes. "Fat women are
like Mopeds," they'll say. "They're fun to ride, but you wouldn't
want your friends to see you."
thighs and ride the wave in."
"Roll her in
flour and find the wet spot."
truth: The boldest hogging stories always happened to someone else.
The more savage the act, the better the chance that the guy telling
the story didn't do it -- his buddy did. And the buddy, just as
frequently, is impossible to track down.
student explains that a friend participated in a hogging ritual at
the U.S. Naval Academy. Sailors going on leave would throw money
into a pot; the one who displayed the biggest pair of panties the
next morning took all. But when the guy surfaces who supposedly
participated, he says he wasn't actually involved: A friend had told
him the story about his
an architect, tells of some bored college kids from Medina who drew
straws; the loser had to pick up a fat woman and bring her home. The
two then had sex while his pals watched from the closet. (In hogging
parlance, this is known as "logging closet time.") "He knew his
friends were watching, so the guy would be like, 'Call me Mr.
President,'" the architect explains. "She did it, too."
But when he
finds the Medina man who told the story, it wasn't his crew after
all. It was one of his friend's friends; no one is sure who or where
they are today.
to attribute all hogging to braggadocio and the fine art of B.S.
Indeed, even some guys who've hogged insist that it's no more than a
way to justify drunken actions the morning after. "Take home a big
girl, and the next day, you say you went hogging," Jake, the
bartender, explains. "It's not like it's the plan. It's the backup
of the fun seems to come in the telling, in recounting the tale that
can top all others. Even for Rick, who relishes the act, part of
hogging's appeal is knowing he can tell his buddies later. "He loves
it," explains his roommate, Mark, "and he loves telling the story."
But even Rick
is smart enough not to share his affinity for hogging with just
anyone. He has a foolproof way of sussing out his audience: He'll
wait for a fat woman to walk by, then make a comment about how he'd
like to "stick it to her."
companion's reaction is everything, Rick explains. "If he's
disgusted, I'll say, 'Oh, I'm just kidding.' If he's like, 'Oh yeah,
I'd do that,' you know he's with you. He's not afraid."
the WTAM radio shock jock, prides himself on being a misogynist --
or at least a man who can appeal to misogynists and their prized
18-to-36-year-old demographic. In person, he's more gangly than his
radio voice would suggest; he looks like the guy who ran the school
audiovisual department, not the one who partied with the rugby team.
known to refer to "hogging" on the air. He just assumes that his
listeners know what he's talking about. His usual fare is politics
or music or cars. Disparagement of fat women fits right into the
Gilmour's regular haunts, Backdraft's, is a hole-in-the-wall tucked
into a Lorain Road strip mall. Gilmour knows most of the guys here;
the only woman is a tired fortysomething giving full attention to
her drink. "You'd never know it from this sausage fest," he says,
"but this is Ladies' Night."
been told the topic of conversation, so he comes suitably prepared
with a steady patter of hogging jokes. "If you wake up and say,
'Thanks for the lovely evening, Ms. Oakar,' then you know you've
been hogging,'" he says. Rim shot.
Then he tries
the roll-her-in-flour line. His audience groans. "There are no new
jokes, just people to hear them," he says, a little defensively.
Army vet on the next barstool lights up a smoke. "Hey, you know what
they say: more cushion for the pushin'."
"Any port will
do in a storm," Gilmour agrees.
leans in. At
Ohio State in the '60s, he went to something called a Green Dot
party. "Whoever brought the ugliest girl got the prize," he says.
What did the
women think? someone asks.
says The Mustache.
he's been with some heavies. He professes not to like it. "In polite
society, they call 'em Rubenesque. Some people say it's softer, it
feels better." Not him: "I'll take a chance with a woman where our hip bones are knocking together."
The Mustache laughs.
friend Bryan sidles over. At 29, he's got a house in the 'burbs and
one of those job titles -- tech-support specialist -- that could
mean he's anything from a software programmer to a janitor.
explains the topic, and
sips his MGD thoughtfully. "It's a situation where you could either
play golf with a high handicap or a low one," he says
philosophically. "Sometimes you just feel like winning the game."
When it gets
to be 12:30, there are only two hours left in the evening, "unless
you count Denny's, which I don't," Bryan explains. So he takes what
he can. "Fat chicks may be just as lonely and bored as you are."
Last time he
did it: a month ago. Worst time: a 220-pounder, sister of his pal.
Fortunately, he was at a friend's college campus at the time, not
his own. "This was the perfect situation," he says. "I was in
I knew one person."
adds, he would have done it even if his entire college had been
there. "The fallout just would have been greater," he says.
Or he could
lie, someone suggests. Claim he didn't really do it.
"You don't lie
Bryan says, horrified.
"You just say,
'Fat chicks need loving, too,'" Gilmour says.
Bryan takes a
long swig, then confesses, "Really, I think the prettiest women look
like Marilyn Monroe, Bettie Page. They had meat on their bones."
Mansfield," Gilmour agrees, in almost a reverie. "We're talking real
supplies another round.
"Women want a
man big enough to protect them," Gilmour says. "Nobody cares how fat
Alfred Hitchcock was."
"But no one
wants to bang Alfred Hitchcock," Bryan points out.
always starts in college. Scott's friends used to declare "No Pride Night" whenever they hit a
dry spell. The call of the evening: "Let's just go find anything."
especially, you're just too lazy for a good-looking girl," Scott
says. "So you find the ugliest, most disgusting one you can find and
take her home. Then it's a joke. And if your friends give you a hard
time, you say, 'I got a blow job. What about you?'"
grew up on the East Coast, first heard of hogging at the University
of Michigan. He uses "coyote arm" to convey the horror: "You'd chew
off your own arm in the morning to get out of there without waking
Growing up in
Bay Village, Chris and his football pals only joked about hogging.
In a town where most of the girls were pretty, there wasn't much
more to do than talk.
Then he went
away to college in
There was a tight group of 14 guys on his floor, and the ones returning for their sophomore year explained the
the freshmen: They'd each donate $100. Then they'd go barhopping. If
one of the guys found a willing hog, everyone would hurry back to
the dorm to surreptitiously watch the guy usher his prize into the
room -- and neglect to lock the door behind him.
The pack of 13
would wait outside.
says, the guy would mount his woman doggie-style. "We'd be outside
the door . . . And he'd yell, 'Hi-ho-rodeo!'" Chris pauses for
dramatic emphasis. "And then we'd all run in and take a picture."
At the end of the
year, the guy who'd rodeoed the biggest girl collected the pot, all
$1,400 of it.
was fierce. "Eight of us did it," Chris says. One guy did it three
times. "Mine was 250, 260 pounds. And I didn't win. The guy that won
it, she was large. Probably 280, 290.
"It was very
hard, because you're not attracted to them," Chris adds, laughing.
"It was difficult, because you get her clothes off, you see the side
rolls. It just turns you off. You gotta suck yourself up and just do
it. You got to."
Chris doesn't feel guilty: "It was one of my college classics." His
friends, he says, all think it's funny. "Yeah, it's bad, but you're
not thinking about that. You're thinking it's hilarious -- and it
hogger has little sympathy for his prey. "Fat chicks need lovin',
too," is often the closest they come to acknowledging the woman's
claim the hog should be, and often is, grateful for their
attentions. "Fat chicks never get laid, because no one wants to see
'em naked," Scott explains.
appreciative just because a guy will let them give him a blow job,"
adds his friend Justin.
understand their place," Rick says. "They know they're pigs. They
don't get it like a normal girl could. They're desperate."
exactly clamoring to tell their side of the story. Some may be
oblivious to the way they're being discussed; "hogging" is a term
few women have even heard. Others, like the women at Chris's
college, may be too embarassed to tell even their closest friends.
No woman wants to think of herself as a hog, much less let her
girlfriends see her that way. The victims are silent.
hoggers admit to having few female friends. They see women as alien
creatures whose motives are suspect. It's only a small leap to
rationalize their piggish behavior by insisting that women are just
are many: Women are all hunting for a sugar daddy anyway. They mock
men for their small size or limited stamina. In a hogger's way of
thinking, it's only right that men return the insult. "You've got
the other end of the coin, too," explains Mike, who owns a
bar. "'He only lasted thirty seconds!' Stuff like that."
Some guys even
admit they go for hogs because it's the only door open to them.
"Sure, we could hit on good-looking chicks, but we're such West Park
retards, it doesn't happen," Rick says.
our standards so low, they're no standards at all," Mark adds.
He says he's
genuinely "remorseful" about his behavior. "It just happens," he
says. But if he can keep his friends from finding out, he'll keep seeing hogs on the side. He
likes them. "They don't expect anything. They're just cool."
appeal is clear to Michael Broder, a
clinical psychologist. "Some of these guys may be really intimidated
by asking out the type of woman they really want to go out with," he
says. "But if they get turned down by a woman they consider
unattractive, there's no loss."
doesn't make it forgivable. "If you have to do that to feel good
about yourself, you don't have much going for you," Broder says. "I
feel sorry for everyone involved."
Donna Jarrell was so self-conscious about her weight that she
avoided the bar scene entirely. She wasn't even willing to try it
until she was a divorcée in her mid-30s. "I hated going to clubs,"
Jarrell heard of hogging, she wasn't particularly shocked. It only
confirmed the fears that she'd long struggled with. "If men were
really nice to me, I just assumed they were trying to exploit me in
some way," she admits. She wouldn't go near dances for "big and beautiful" women, for example; she was convinced that they
attracted a certain type of predator who assumed "big" meant
good reason for her caution. After Jarrell's divorce, she met a
doctor in a chat room. They had great conversations, typing back and
forth for 10 days. Then he sent The E-mail. "This is the most
heartfelt communication I've had with a woman in 10 years," he
wrote. "Please don't tell me you're fat."
decade later, Jarrell has perspective. "It just captures the
confusion and ambivalence of men who want a wonderful relationship
-- but also want a trophy," she says.
A lecturer at
Ohio State, Jarrell co-edited a collection of fiction, What Are
You Looking At?: the First Fat Fiction Anthology. She's a
self-described "fat American" and says the words proudly. She hates
the way they've been co-opted to mean "ugly."
A big part of
Jarrell's confidence stems from a casual comment her son made: "Mom, who cares if you look fat, as
long as you look good."
It changed her
life. "Fat" and "good" coexisting had once been unthinkable. "What I
think a lot of people, not just men, don't recognize is that our
attraction or our revulsion to fat has a lot to do with our
culture," she says.
becomes something sad -- for the woman, certainly, but also for the
man. "There's a stigma so extreme that even if men do get more
pleasure with fat women, how do they admit that?"
And, if they
don't get pleasure from the hookup, there's no point in doing it,
she says. "I'm so unfamiliar with the idea that you wouldn't be real
with somebody. It's just such a waste of your time. But for some
people, I guess, that's what their life is."
falling back at the Treehouse, and the conversation is growing
windy. "Perfect hogging is big fat tits, fat thighs, but a
good-looking face," Rick explains.
don't think they're hogs, ever," Mark says.
getting philosophical. "It's not the way my mom said I should be to
women, but it works. I don't make the rules, I just play the game."
When the time
comes, Rick says, he'll pass down the rule book, just like his dad
did to him. "When my kid's in college, sure I'll say something,"
Rick says. "Of course."
"If he was
going to Homecoming with a big cow, I'd say it to my wife: 'He likes
hogging,'" Mark says. "But not to him."
tell my wife," Rick says. "Some things you keep to yourself."
buy it. "He can't keep it in," he taunts.
great stories," Rick protests, "but to tell your dudes!"
The patio is
pitch-black by the time Andy and Ben join the group. Both Mark and
Rick are thrilled: Ben, they explain, is the perfect guy to talk
about hogging. He always has a heavy woman on his arm. He dates 'em.
He revels in 'em.
quickly sets us straight. Ben, he says, doesn't hog. "But he likes
that he likes a woman with a big butt, a firm fat shape. "I don't
care how big it is, as long as it's firm. I think even you would be shocked at how big you can
get and still be firm," he tells Rick.
still a hog to me," Mark protests.
Ben will have
none of it. "I know what I like. These guys find something I like to
be a joke. They like to laugh about it and retell it. But they may
find it gives them some reserve of pleasure. They're expanding their
definitions of what is attractive."
Rick has grown
quiet. "In a certain sense, he has a point," he says. "It's fat
women I usually masturbate to. Because they get me off. . . . I
can't get Tyra Banks, nor do I want to. But there's something about
violating this little pig that makes me happy." It's almost an
moment of reflection can only last so long. Within a minute, he and
Mark are back to talking about how fat women give better oral, how
they're disposable, how the hookup is fun because the woman is
willing to be degraded.
important: It's a hookup and only a hookup. Never a girlfriend.
Never wife material. "If it's a fat bitch, I don't want to see her
afterward," Rick says.
hogging," Andy says.
Rick agrees. "You don't want to have a hot bitch blow you off
because she can. You want a fat bitch who'll suck your cock. Last
call, I like to get my dick sucked rather than play euchre all
Rick takes a
long swig of his beer. "That's the bottom line," he explains to the
darkness. "That's hogging."
clevescene.com | originally published: October 1, 2003